Showing posts with label Mad Hatter's Tea Party. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Mad Hatter's Tea Party. Show all posts

Saturday, February 21, 2015

Just what is the McAdams Experiment on alt.assassination.jfk…my thoughts as of today...

After coming through yet another week of war on aaj with McAdams over my position and process on Judyth I feel that I might finally have some insights that might sense.  In my case, McAdams tries to make use of repeated false statements.  He seems to think that by repeating them, they will carry some extra weight, or do something special.  My guess is that this repetition is supposed to trigger other posters who *believe* him to dog pile on me.  They could, in fact, be 'dog piling cues.'  If that were to be the case, it opens the door to the possibility that aaj is supposed to be some sort of 'mind control' forum, where there is one leader, a *credible* person, with a title, who is supposed to lead the others into *correct* thinking.  When it comes to the JFK assassination, of course, the *correct* thinking is to support the WCR.  When it comes to Judyth, the *correct* thinking is to label her a liar and a fraud.

The purpose of these "dog pile cues" is apparently to indicate to the rest of the pack just who the target is.  In this case, it happens to be a woman (the only one currently posting there, and we can imagine why :-0) who happens to be an historian with a different perspective than a poli psy prof…apparently, there can only be on perspective in aaj, and mine is not acceptable…perhaps because it interferes with the experiment, I'm not sure at this point…

aaj posters, in general, seem trained to turn on any dissenter to the WCR and call them a 'kook' or 'insane'.  This seems to go with the territory.  Then, a poster is only rewarded if they allow McAdams to do their thinking for them.  If not, they are put under attack.  Not only that, their posts are delayed.  Sometimes they fall into a black hole.  At other times they will be formally rejected, with an email stating 'why'.

So now I am starting to wonder what, if any, connection there is to the McAdams experiment on aaj to what actually happened during the assassination?  If we can start with the axiom that McAdams lies, and that he is pushing an agenda which he knows to be a lie, we  might start heading down a road toward the possibility that McAdams is trying to, in effect, create 'man can's' (borrowed from Manchurian Candidate) who will blindly attack whomever he tells them to.  If that is the case, we might also ask a corollary question -- is this being done to deflect attention from the possibility that the same thing was done with Lee Harvey Oswald in 1963?  I'm starting to wonder…:-0

McAdams' 'platitudes of persuasion' re Judyth…or how to create and maintain a slanted field...

From the moment I agreed to keep an open mind to what Judyth had to say until her book was published, McAdams has targeted me.  The most telling evidence of this is his refusal to acknowledge my position.  Not just then -- even today, 12 years later.  McAdams likes to complain about someone other than himself being a 'slow learner'.  But the evidence shows that it is he who has not only been *slow* to learn my position, but has, in fact, deliberately and with ill intent refused to do so.

Why would this be the case?  I cannot, of course, speak my mind on aaj or my post would be rejected.  That is part of the McAdams' experiment -- that he and he alone can chose what is posted to the group or not.  So I can't call him a liar perpetrating a fraud on aaj -- but I can speak my mind here, and if that interpretation is what comes to mind after reading my posts, I would say, 'run with it.'

McAdams seems to be thinking he has some sort of 'power' over me -- that by repeating false statements they will then become 'fact' and or cause me to stumble.  What they do cause me to do is fight back.

Here is the latest interchange.  Following my reply to McAdams inanity I will put him in a time-out.  I think 12 years is long enough...


On Thursday, February 19, 2015 at 4:25:41 PM UTC-6, John McAdams wrote:
> On 19 Feb 2015 17:18:37 -0500, Pamela Brown
> wrote:
>
> >On Wednesday, February 18, 2015 at 8:01:27 PM UTC-6, Anthony Marsh wrote:
> >> On 2/18/2015 1:41 PM, Pamela Brown wrote:
> >>
> >> > And how does research on Judyth fit into this?  What if McAdams had
> >> > allowed her a really level field?  Would she then hoist herself
> >>
> >> Please tell us exactly what research McAdams has ever done on Judyth.
> >
> >I did not intend to imply that McAdams has himself done research on
> >Judyth.  I meant that if he knew to his own satisfaction that she was
> >indeed a fraud and a liar and wanted to make sure he allowed her to
> >demonstrate that to everyone else,
>
>
> But she *had* demonstrated it everybody else, Pamela.

To whom had she demonstrated this?  To the choir at aaj?  What about the rest of the world?

If you did not consider Judyth a threat,  why maintain a website using a draft of a manuscript acquired under the table?  Why use a photo without her permission after she complained? Why not update it with information from sources she has authorized, such as her current books? Why not treat her with respect and let her hang herself, as the false Anastasia, Anna Anderson, did?

>
> Except you wouldn't accept that.

What I wouldn't accept was that that dogpiling was sufficient.

>ctored and hounded and tried to shut down discussion of
> Judyth until *you* decided she was a fraud.

False.  I had an agreement with Judyth to keep an open mind until her book came out. I still do not label Judyth a fraud. I share my experiences at my Finding Judyth blog and ask that others think things through for themselves.
>
> You couldn't accept that people had the right to express opinions that
> *you* didn't like.

Attempting to use a position of influence to turn aaj posters into attack dogs does not to me equate to *expressing opinions*, imo. If anything, it seems to equate more to intellectual oppression.
>
> Who do you think you are?

An historian testing a process.
>
> >it would behoove him to treat her with
> >the utmost respect, because then she would have nothing to complain about
> >and would effectively hoist herself with her own petard in front of the
> >research community.  McAdams would come off smelling like a rose.
> >
>
> It was obvious from almost the first that she was a fraud.

Simply labeling Judyth a liar and a fraud did not stop her moving forward or finding new *believers*.  Dogpiling was not an effective strategy imo. Something different was needed.  A Wolffschanze, so to speak.
>
> The fact that you took a long time to realize that is not my fault,
> nor the fault of any of her critics.

I kept an open mind from 2003 to 2010 when Judyth's book was published. That was my agreement with her.

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/alt.assassination.jfk/world$20gone$20mad/alt.assassination.jfk/mzA_VLgwfG4/-eobWoCbrv4J


Pamela Brown
findingjudyth.blogspot.com

Wednesday, February 18, 2015

A World Gone Mad…to the Mad Hatter's Tea Party? from aaj...

On Wednesday, February 18, 2015 at 10:27:16 AM UTC-6, Anthony Marsh wrote:
> On 2/17/2015 9:06 PM, Pamela Brown wrote:
> > On Monday, February 9, 2015 at 8:47:28 PM UTC-6, Anthony Marsh wrote:
> >> On 2/7/2015 5:25 PM, Marcus Hanson wrote:
> >>> "I'm against censorship, but persons like Mr Von Pein have crossed a line
> >>> where they no longer deserve fair hearing amongst honest people."
> >>>
> >>> Typical lefty comment - not in favour of censorship....UNLESS a contrary
> >>> opinion is not well received.
> >>>
> >>> The poster Albert Doyle was - IMO - "brought into line" by an ex-DPF-er
> >>> for straying from the CT orthodoxy. It's been a long time since I read his
> >>> posts,but after reproval,IIRC,he toed the line like a good boy.
> >>>
> >>> Here,we don't all have to agree on every point(even on the LN side) or
> >>> worry about getting approval from John.
> >>>
> >>
> >> But there is a big difference. There is no level playing field here.
> >> McAdams brings in minions to attack conspiracy believers and then does not
> >> let the conspiracy believers defend themselves.
> >
> > In fact, it might be said that aaj is an experimental training ground for
> > how to bully dissenters.
> >
>
> Maybe it is just a CIA training exercise.[...]

To what end?  Simply to deny a truly open forum for the discussion of the JFK assassination or something more complex, such as trying to train people to think that if they question authority they are a loonie?

And how does research on Judyth fit into this?  What if McAdams had allowed her a really level field?  Would she then hoist herself onto/by/with her own petard?  If McAdams, with his influence here, had treated her with the utmost respect, and she turned on him with nothing tangible to complain about (no pilfered manuscript, no photo used without her permission, etc...) how persuasive would that have been for everyone?  Would that have helped or hurt his cause?

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/alt.assassination.jfk/a$20world$20gone$20mad$20to$20a$20teaparty/alt.assassination.jfk/mzA_VLgwfG4/ciwlYdw9ThsJ

Pamela Brown
mcadamsexperiment.blogspot.com

Tuesday, February 17, 2015

McAdams and his bully-playground of aaj...

On Sunday, February 8, 2015 at 5:53:52 PM UTC-6, Lanny wrote:
> On Friday, February 6, 2015 at 11:17:45 PM UTC-5, David Von Pein wrote:
>
> > It would appear as if the kooks quoted above have reached a new zenith in
> > "kookdom". They want my basic right of being able to express an OPINION to
> > be obliterated.
> >
> > The freedoms of man have been turned completely topsy-turvy by those
> > conspiracy clowns. I find it hard to believe that even the wackiest of JFK
> > conspiracists could utter the things that Doyle and Yates uttered in the
> > quotes presented above.
>
> It's worse than you fear.  The same people who argue that JFK was killed
> by/or whose murderers were protected by a government conspiracy which has
> been in operation for over 50 years are now advocating that that same
> government should censor or prosecute you -- a person who has taken the
> position that the government is innocent of any wrong doing.

Not exactly so.  McAdams seems to have created a slanted field where dissenters are bullied.  The WC defenders are protected.  It is imo those who encourage people to *believe* them instead of reasoning things through for themselves are attempting to *censor* actual research.
>
> Now is that illogical, or what?

You just knocked down your own strawman.  You probably thought you made a cogent argument.  If McAdams had taught everyone critical thinking instead of how to use fallacies you might know that.

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/alt.assassination.jfk/a$20world$20gone$20mad/alt.assassination.jfk/mzA_VLgwfG4/-eobWoCbrv4J

Pamela Brown
mcadamsexperment.blogspot.com

From 'A world gone mad' (to the Mad Hatter's tea party)/ on aaj...

On Monday, February 9, 2015 at 8:47:28 PM UTC-6, Anthony Marsh wrote:
> On 2/7/2015 5:25 PM, Marcus Hanson wrote:
> > "I'm against censorship, but persons like Mr Von Pein have crossed a line
> > where they no longer deserve fair hearing amongst honest people."
> >
> > Typical lefty comment - not in favour of censorship....UNLESS a contrary
> > opinion is not well received.
> >
> > The poster Albert Doyle was - IMO - "brought into line" by an ex-DPF-er
> > for straying from the CT orthodoxy. It's been a long time since I read his
> > posts,but after reproval,IIRC,he toed the line like a good boy.
> >
> > Here,we don't all have to agree on every point(even on the LN side) or
> > worry about getting approval from John.
> >
>
> But there is a big difference. There is no level playing field here.
> McAdams brings in minions to attack conspiracy believers and then does not
> let the conspiracy believers defend themselves.

In fact, it might be said that aaj is an experimental training ground for how to bully dissenters.

> He allows his minions to
> call me a liar, but forbids me from calling anyone a liar.

Well, the WC defenders are the 'more equal animals'.  The dissenters have to live with that.

>One of your
> guys wanted to have McAdams BAN me because I pointed out that he was wrong
> about something.

Sometimes it can be frustrating keeping those WC defender blinders firmly in place.

The irony, to me, is that is should not matter if one is a WC defender or dissenter. What matters is that one is able to posit a cogent argument about their position.  The slant McAdams imposes on this field seems to preclude that.  As a result, it is tough for a discussion to move forward.  The emphasis is on discrediting the dissenter.

Of course, anyone who has no choice but to resort to fallacy is demonstrating a very weak position.  So, we can infer that McAdams has had to create a slanted field on aaj because he knows LHO did not act alone, if at all, in the assassination.

If there is a silver lining, perhaps this is it.

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/alt.assassination.jfk/a$20world$20gone$20mad/alt.assassination.jfk/mzA_VLgwfG4/-eobWoCbrv4J

Pamela Brown
mcadamsexperiment.blogspot.com