On Sunday, February 1, 2015 at 3:10:54 PM UTC-6, Caeruleo wrote:
In article <54b9ef12 mcadams.posc.mu.edu="">,
Sandy McCroskey wrote:
On 1/16/15 10:39 PM, Pamela Brown wrote:
On Friday, January 16, 2015 at 12:42:50 PM UTC-6, Sandy McCroskey wrote:
None of which makes me any less confident that the name of Minnesota has
nothing to do with Mozart.
/sandy
You seem to be missing the point. Why not look at the opera and this
character called "Monostatos" in the context of a prophetic insight?
Uh, maybe because I don't share your Pamela-centric world view?
Oh dear, is this the same Pamela who, years ago, sent a frivolous
complaint to Yahoo, falsely claiming that I had violated Yahoo's TOS
because I emailed her just one single time in direct reply to an article
she posted here, even though it was then, and still today, common practice
to email someone when they've said something in a newsgroup in direct
reply to the person who then sends the email?
You must be thinking of another 'Pamela', as I do not do anything
frivolously. I have almost no recollection of you except that you seem to
have stopped posting a long time ago and did not at that time appear to
have much to contribute.
It ain't a violation of
Yahoo's TOS *unless* the person had *previously* said specifically, "do
not contact me." Pamela never once said any such thing to me, publicly or
privately. And does anyone else but me notice that this very same Yahoo
email address is still today valid? I've been sending and receiving
emails through it for quite some time now.
Whatever it was that happened, it had to have been something serious or I
would not have taken any action at all.
Mozart used a term, "Monostatos" in 1791, at a time when there was no
"Minnesota", which did not become a state until 1860-something. So a
word, used for a minor, yet significant character, was, in effect, pulled
out of the ethers...
Out of what "ethers"?
Pamela, apparently, needs to get her sources straight.
Oh dear. You are off on the wrong foot already.
I have two very
real degrees in music, and "Mozart" did not create that character,
something I knew perfectly well way, way, way back in the 1970s. Emanuel
Schikaneder, the librettist (that means he wrote the words; Mozart only
wrote the music) created the character, and the name, of Monostatos almost
literally out of thin air.
Nice dip and dive. Just whose name is on the opera? Whose reputation was
at stake? Didn't all your serious study of Mozart tell you that he would
have to suggese and/or approve every word that went into the opera, much
less every character?
Tsk, tsk, such a pedantic mindset for someone who just apparently crawled
out of the woodwork in order to take a swing at me.
The name "Monostatos" has no realistic
"etymology" from any language in all recorded human history; Shikaneder
made it up, period.
You don't *know* that. You made that up.
It is a well-known *fact* among the majority of music
majors worldwide, and also the majority of music professors with
doctorates worldwide that Shikaneder was nowhere even remotely close to a
well-educated person.
That sentence is an example of a fallacy called 'appeal to authority.'
He was, at best, what many today might call a music
hall performer, who happened to capture the imagination of a couple of
"great" composers, Mozart, and very briefly, Beethoven. The latter only
set a small minority of his opera "Leonore" (later revised and renamed
"Fidelio"), to a few of Shikaneder's verses, but the vast majority of the
text of the original and final versions of the opera were written by a
different person.
Well then, using your 'logic', if Shikeneder was such a loser and th opera
such a success, guess who must have contributed even more to it than we
might have suspected?
If any element of that name/word "Monostatos" has any
similarity to any language ever recorded, current or historical, it is a
pure unintentional coincidence only.
Strawman. Doesn't matter if it is a 'coincidence'. In fact, that has
been my point.
To assign any relevance whatsoever
between the word "Monostatos" and the JFK assassination is ludicrous in
the extreme.
That is a ridiculous strawman. Where on earth did you come up with that
one?
And as for any connection in etymology between the words "Monostatos"
and "Minnesota" one would practically have to ignore, purposefully, the
rather extreme difference between languages that originated in
Africa/Eurasia, and the languages of Native Americans.
Huh? That is irrelevent.
Free clue: Emanuel Shikaneder almost certainly did not know of even one
Native American word in even one Native American language when he made
up the name "Monostatos" out of thin air.
Hint: there was no 'MInnesota' in 1791.
Actually, the rational conclusion here would be that there can be no
meaningful connection between the slightly similar word Mozart's
librettist used in 1791 and the name of the American state.[...]
Let's get this straight -- you are complaining that either Mozart or
Shikeneder plucked a term out of the blue in 1791 that was not in use in
the US until 1863? Thank you for making my point for me.
The lack of logic or coherence to your post is starting to recall to me
the tenor of your posting long ago. I don't think that has changed much,
degrees or not. Perhaps you might next want to go after one in critical
thinking. :-0
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